BluTGI wrote:chamber715 wrote:One is designed to generate return business, the other is designed to give a company a short window to make money off of their product.
I disagree I see both as a way to generate return buisness.
I can't see how. All other things equal, given the choice between a product that's free and a product that costs money, I think people will gravitate towards the free product. I think there would be some people willing to pay a premium for immediate access, but also I think that number is less than the current number of people who would pay for comics at all.
BluTGI wrote:And while they are re-visitable... I highly doubt people will. I think people will revisit music far more than they will anything else. Movies every few years. Books every decade. And comics maybe once or twice in their life.
I think one of the biggest differences between us is that I haven't purchased a comic book for a few years. I download them. I read them for the story, visuals, etc but then I delete them. I don't revisit them. The only thing I have was All Star Supes, but that's because of the dvd, and the quality of the work. However that is one comic series out of a good 70 i've viewed. Currently I have no money to invest in the commodity that is comics. But one day I will and the first thing I will do is spend money on All Star supes. The industry hasn't lost my money because it would have never gotten it. But because I can still view the comics I will spend and invest later on the things I want. It's not great for the producers of comics but it is perfect for me. I get to decide what is and isn't good quality with out an investment.
I think most people make the argument that pirates don't cost companies money because people who pirate wouldn't have paid for what they took in the first place. I think that's crap. I think the pirates cost companies money, but it's not a 1 to 1 ratio of people who pirate to lost sales. I think some people would buy some of the things they pirate if they couldn't pirate it.
So out of the 70 or so comics you've viewed how many of them would you have bought if you had the money and if you couldn't pirate it?
BluTGI wrote:And I would ask you how many times do you think you will reread that book? You paid for unlimited access to a small collection and IMO you were overcharged. I will concede however that old comics still have value. Intrinsic value for sure. But as to properly putting a price on it, I think that almost any price you put on individual comics, after they have been released... will be too high for the consumer, and too low for the initial distributor/publisher.
I don't know how many times I'll read the Thor Omnibus, but I don't think it matters. I paid what I think is a fair price for those comics and I'm enjoying them. Why does it matter if I'll reread it?
The Thor Omnibus retails for $125. I bought it for half that at a sale. Would I have liked to pay less for it? Sure. Do I think I paid too much for it? No. It's up to the company selling the product to determine what price to sell it for and it's up to the consumer to decide for themselves if it's worth that price.
BluTGI wrote:While I Agree heavily with the 2nd half of this.. remember that comic industry company prints and ships x volumes of product x times a year. Individuals pay for that product and then keep or resell that product. Once this initial sale has happened a collector could easily open up a comic art house and charge a fee for access to this collection. This would not hurt the original company at all. They were purchased at original price. It would however hurt the brick and mortar people reselling these goods. They would order less product... even possibly no product at all. This would start to hurt the original company. However the original company should have reduced the number of products it printed. while also started trying to figure out how to adapt to these art houses. However this is the digital age and these art houses are pirates and they aren't even charging for access.
A comic company currently prints and ships X volumes of product because the stores who carry those comics order X number of product because consumers buy X number of product. If these "comic art houses" (which, I'm pretty sure would be illegal) started popping up and people went to them instead of buying their own copies, sales would shrink. Consumers buy less, so stores order less, so companies print and ship less. If sales continuously shrink, it will eventually get to a level where it's no longer profitable for a comic company to print their product. What happens then? They stop producing product.
Companies need to make profit off of their product or service. That's as basic as business gets. If companies can't make a profit, eventually they cease to exist.